The plan, honestly, was to go to bed. But having settled my trade on the Copa Libertadores match between Olimpia Ascuncion and Emelec shortly after the away side made it 1-1 I shut down Geek's and went off reading the debate about full time trading over at Lamb's place.
I am now going to bed, but first, out of curiosity, glanced at flashscores to see this:
Yes, three goals between the 88th minute and the full time whistle. The last two must have happened too quickly for flash to even grab the scorers' names! I reckon a few small fortunes were made and lost there by the late night trading community.
I love trading the Copa and Latin club football in general. If you've never tried it and are a bit of a night owl I urge you to give it a go.
An ill disciplined blogger shares irregular and random trading experiences with anyone who has the patience to read them!
Friday, 13 April 2012
Tuesday, 10 April 2012
The Trader's Mindset revisited
The Sultan promised to look at the question of the Trader's Mindest a couple of days ago, and his recent post does just that. Whilst to be perfectly candid I do not recognise myself in his description of a trader losing his rag in a trade and acting rashly, I do identify with the comments about getting to the root cause of a trader's problems and it still vexes me. Whilst it was disappointing to learn that a night out on the ale won't cure the problem, I've no doubt this is true!
I never used to keep records. None. Nada. And people would ask 'what's your strike rate?' or 'what's your ROI / ROC' or, even worse, 'which match odds give the best returns for the (insert name) trading strategy or tactic?'. And, as I couldn't give a straight answer, I'd mumble something like 'it's around x%' and swiftly talk about something else instead.
That has changed (although it is far too much of a fag to keep updating the results sheets on here, so the observant ones amongst you will notice they've now disappeared). Not only have I a detailed spreadsheet on which I record the financial aspects of my trading I have also knocked up a simple database on Access which enables me to record the thought process of the trade (or the lack thereof!).
Having uploaded the above sample (complete with typos ;-)) I've noticed I've not included the bloody event details on the form - what a muppet! Still a work in progress. I try to complete this process either during or soon after a match ends, whilst it's all still fresh in my mind. That isn't too much of an issue with soccer as I can still be trading other games as things generally happen quite sedately but would obviously be a bit more difficult for nag traders to make use of.
I'd be lying if I told you I hadn't deliberately selected a winning trade for my picture - so for those who have an interest in the kind of mindset issues I still have - here's a not so good one... (the handicap of not including the event is going to need to be fixed! I can't for the life of me remember which match this was):-
I wouldn't worry if this kind or trade were a rarity. But it's not. Don't misunderstand - it's not common but it's there in the plural and this I find intensely frustrating. I am hoping that by keeping such records I can ingrain on my pysche that this form of trading is NOT the way forward. It's a beginner's mistake - so why, oh why, oh why do I keep doing it? I'm not necessarily talking about taking the trade on - I'm talking about letting a losing situation run and run and run instead of cutting and running, reinvesting what's left and moving onto other, profitable, trades.
I really do think this is the last real issue left with my trading. I've been doing it long enough now to have formulated a viable strategy which I know works, and am able to spot other low liability / large upside trades along the way to augment my core activities. All that remains to be done is to eliminate the f'g stupid hare brained glorified punts from my trading and I'll be content.
In case anyone is still wondering whether I would ever consider doing this for a living, I would suggest the answer is contained in the above - you shouldn't have to dig too deep.
A SORRY AFFAIR
Some readers will know Robbo, and some will know what has befallen him. For those who don't let's just say that a substantial four figure amount was lifted from his Bf account and frittered away on the arcade site / casino. areas.
I was sorry to hear about it mate, and know you'll get it back. The rest of us must ensure we safeguard our own accounts with regular password changes etc as, surprise, surprise, there's nothing Bf can do to help.
AND AN UNADULTERATED PLUG
Please download and use the latest edition of A Geek's Toy if you haven't already done so. Anyone trading at all seriously should use software of some sort and this is a strong contender as it is, currently, free. If you're wondering why I feel the need to plug it....well, let's just say it's financially motivated but not by means of affiliate plans! You can find out for yourself if you want to know....
I never used to keep records. None. Nada. And people would ask 'what's your strike rate?' or 'what's your ROI / ROC' or, even worse, 'which match odds give the best returns for the (insert name) trading strategy or tactic?'. And, as I couldn't give a straight answer, I'd mumble something like 'it's around x%' and swiftly talk about something else instead.
That has changed (although it is far too much of a fag to keep updating the results sheets on here, so the observant ones amongst you will notice they've now disappeared). Not only have I a detailed spreadsheet on which I record the financial aspects of my trading I have also knocked up a simple database on Access which enables me to record the thought process of the trade (or the lack thereof!).
Having uploaded the above sample (complete with typos ;-)) I've noticed I've not included the bloody event details on the form - what a muppet! Still a work in progress. I try to complete this process either during or soon after a match ends, whilst it's all still fresh in my mind. That isn't too much of an issue with soccer as I can still be trading other games as things generally happen quite sedately but would obviously be a bit more difficult for nag traders to make use of.
I'd be lying if I told you I hadn't deliberately selected a winning trade for my picture - so for those who have an interest in the kind of mindset issues I still have - here's a not so good one... (the handicap of not including the event is going to need to be fixed! I can't for the life of me remember which match this was):-
I wouldn't worry if this kind or trade were a rarity. But it's not. Don't misunderstand - it's not common but it's there in the plural and this I find intensely frustrating. I am hoping that by keeping such records I can ingrain on my pysche that this form of trading is NOT the way forward. It's a beginner's mistake - so why, oh why, oh why do I keep doing it? I'm not necessarily talking about taking the trade on - I'm talking about letting a losing situation run and run and run instead of cutting and running, reinvesting what's left and moving onto other, profitable, trades.
I really do think this is the last real issue left with my trading. I've been doing it long enough now to have formulated a viable strategy which I know works, and am able to spot other low liability / large upside trades along the way to augment my core activities. All that remains to be done is to eliminate the f'g stupid hare brained glorified punts from my trading and I'll be content.
In case anyone is still wondering whether I would ever consider doing this for a living, I would suggest the answer is contained in the above - you shouldn't have to dig too deep.
A SORRY AFFAIR
Some readers will know Robbo, and some will know what has befallen him. For those who don't let's just say that a substantial four figure amount was lifted from his Bf account and frittered away on the arcade site / casino. areas.
I was sorry to hear about it mate, and know you'll get it back. The rest of us must ensure we safeguard our own accounts with regular password changes etc as, surprise, surprise, there's nothing Bf can do to help.
AND AN UNADULTERATED PLUG
Please download and use the latest edition of A Geek's Toy if you haven't already done so. Anyone trading at all seriously should use software of some sort and this is a strong contender as it is, currently, free. If you're wondering why I feel the need to plug it....well, let's just say it's financially motivated but not by means of affiliate plans! You can find out for yourself if you want to know....
Monday, 9 April 2012
The pitfalls of trading by phone
Traditionally a small group of us sit in our local on the last night of The Masters and watch the final dozen or so holes being played out. It's a welcoming sort of local and mine host keeps his bitter well - an important consideration for yours truly who can't abide plastic or chemical beer.
When I left home in the unseasonal drizzle and chilly wind Lefty was still trading in the mid twos and 8 under par. When I fired up my phone in the pub he was 5 under and trading at 14! Needless to say I greened my lay of him and then backed him. It was a great night's golf and I happily scalped a nice overall green figure across the field.
On closing time we hot footed it to a friend's den, charged our glasses whilst his delightful good lady produced some sausages in freshly warmed bread rolls for us, and watched the last couple of holes. When Bubba sprayed his tee shot into the trees on the second play off hole the limitations of trading by mobile phone became apparent. I wanted to lay Ooostie - available at 1.43 - but the refresh delay meant he'd taken his shot before my lay was matched and he too appeared to have found trouble off the tee. Convinced they'd both take five and that there would be at least one more play off hole I left it alone. Doh! Had I been trading indoors with my normal internet connection and specialist software that lay would have been matched - but the extra 'lost' profit is the price to be paid for a great night in good company watching exciting golf.
I've got to take my hat off to Mr Watson - that shot out of a narrow gap in the trees will, I'm sure, be talked about for a long time and although Ooostie very nearly made his par put I think most golfers would agree that 'Blubbing Bubba' deserved his green jacket.
When I left home in the unseasonal drizzle and chilly wind Lefty was still trading in the mid twos and 8 under par. When I fired up my phone in the pub he was 5 under and trading at 14! Needless to say I greened my lay of him and then backed him. It was a great night's golf and I happily scalped a nice overall green figure across the field.
On closing time we hot footed it to a friend's den, charged our glasses whilst his delightful good lady produced some sausages in freshly warmed bread rolls for us, and watched the last couple of holes. When Bubba sprayed his tee shot into the trees on the second play off hole the limitations of trading by mobile phone became apparent. I wanted to lay Ooostie - available at 1.43 - but the refresh delay meant he'd taken his shot before my lay was matched and he too appeared to have found trouble off the tee. Convinced they'd both take five and that there would be at least one more play off hole I left it alone. Doh! Had I been trading indoors with my normal internet connection and specialist software that lay would have been matched - but the extra 'lost' profit is the price to be paid for a great night in good company watching exciting golf.
I've got to take my hat off to Mr Watson - that shot out of a narrow gap in the trees will, I'm sure, be talked about for a long time and although Ooostie very nearly made his par put I think most golfers would agree that 'Blubbing Bubba' deserved his green jacket.
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